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Bingovit schreef:Ik wil er gerust wel even mee experimenteren Jos

In general, we are looking for ways to become more involved with the larger tournaments, at both a sponsorship level and a general supporter level.


I will probably write up what I'll tell you here for everyone to see at some point. Before we get into the details, part of the appeal of a pinball vision system is its height and presence. As such, when it comes to "flying" thing as we call it in the pro audio industry, safety is absolutely critical. This is one reason we haven't put together a package and sold it ourselves, as safety and liability is a major concern when you have 50-lb TVs in the air. So let this be my official disclaimer that you won't sue me if you drop a TV on somebody.


First step is to find a good truss system for supporting the TV and the cameras. we got ours from Guitar Center. I'm sure there's a similar supplier in Europe.


http://www.guitarcenter.com/On-Stage-St ... 1171135.gc


This truss supports 200lbs total, which is just enough for two TVs.


For the TVs, you should use something at least 42". The ones we used on our display are 47". It is very important that you use LCD/LED TVs, do NOT USE PLASMA TVs - they are too heavy and fragile and create a safety hazard.


Mounting the TVs is a bit tricky. You need a standard bracket mounted vertically on the VESA mount of the TV. I got ours from monoprice.com ,but they are a little flimsy for my tastes. Make sure to get something that has adjustable tilt on it, as you probably want to lean the TVs forward a bit.


Once you have a TV mounting bracket, you need O-clamps to attach the bracket to the truss:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/American-DJ ... 1156197.gc
2-3 clamps per bracket is good.


You also want to use safety cables just in case something fails or gets bumped:
http://www.google.com/products/catalog? ... CHUQ8gIwAQ


This needs to be screwed to one of the bracket mounting holes, and then secured to the truss after it's attached.


For a camera, you need a HD camera that has a live HDMI 1080P output. We found the Toshiba Camileo cameras work well for this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003DZ ... 00_details


Of course you'll need a longer HDMI cable to hook it up than what's provided. you can get cheaper cables off eBay or whatever. Don't buy them from your retailers.


The cameras come with a power supply, so you'll need a few power strips and extension cords to get that all set up.


You need a clamp to mount the camera to the pipe.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AB ... 00_details
These are great. You can mount any camera to just about anything.


That's about what you need.


With HDMI/HD, there's going to be a little bit of lag, about 100ms or so. not really a problem for watching, but you can't play the game by looking at the screen.


You need to raise the truss to the minimum height that will let the TVs clear the top of the games. You don't want the truss too high, it becomes more unstable.


Test out mounting the TVs at the lowest level and make sure they are stable. Then, remove the TVs and raise the truss - you do not want to raise the truss with TVs attached, too dangerous. You can attach the TVs by standing slightly behind the truss and setting them into the brackets carefully standing on a sturdy ladder or on a very sturdy table. Also make sure the legs on the truss are at their widest setting for extra stability.


We've used two methods of attaching cameras, both work well. Later revisions we attached the cameras with the two 1-meter long bars that are on top of the truss, swinging them over the game and zooming in the camera the bit. We've also used standalone tripods with a bar hanging off for the camera over the game. The camera needs to be approximately over the player's head. If it's too far forward you won't be able to see the score display in the image and it doesn't look quite right.


Also, once you get the truss raised and locked to the proper height, we found it's a good idea to add two ratchet straps from the top of the truss to the rear-most leg of the truss to act as guy-wires to add stability to the system and remove sway.

Bingovit schreef:Zijn die niet gewoonweg traag door die recorder die er tussen hangt?

diesel64 schreef:Zo'n ding bijvoorbeeld:

http://www.videocamerashop.be/product/1 ... ilver.html

(waarschuwing: ik heb hier gewoon een eerste de beste random videocamera gepost zonder opzoekingswerk. Niet slaan als deze niet geschikt zou zijn)

Bingovit schreef:En we zijn dus langsgeweest bij de plaatselijke Sony man en tot de conclusie gekomen dat een camera geschikt voor de ruisonderdrukking en beste prijs-kwaliteit verhouding in de winkel €419 kost

Als ik me niet vergis was het deze:
http://www.sony.be/lang/nl/product/cam- ... hdr-cx130e

Dus lijkt het ineens interessant om zo'n 2dehands model ergens te gaan zoeken

zwartepanter schreef: Die vind je nieuw vanaf 300euro al... maar is idd veel geld!

En deze Evert? http://nl.kapaza.be/west-vlaanderen/son ... 269016.htm

diesel64 schreef:I like were this is going!

Die Sony ziet me er echt goed uit. Al is 400 euro natuurlijk wel veel geld en misschien zullen er nog wel andere geschikte kwalitatieve toestellen te vinden zijn die wat goedkoper zijn?

Wel zou ik oppassen met Pixmania. Al veel horrorverhalen over die webshop gehoord.

diesel64 schreef:I like were this is going!

Die Sony ziet me er echt goed uit. Al is 400 euro natuurlijk wel veel geld en misschien zullen er nog wel andere geschikte kwalitatieve toestellen te vinden zijn die wat goedkoper zijn?

Wel zou ik oppassen met Pixmania. Al veel horrorverhalen over die webshop gehoord.